RVE #300! Living and Working Together in a Tiny Space

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Living and Working Together Full-time in a Tiny Space

With Rene Agredano – The RV Entrepreneur Episode #300

Your Host: Jim Nelson

Rene Agredano shares her tips for living and working together in an RV with your spouse or partner. Rene has been full-time RVing with her husband for 16+ years. During that time, the couple has grown a popular online niche community, while supporting clients, and publishing several books together.

Discover how to best manage a relationship while maintaining a nomadic business. Hear helpful tips on topics ranging from workamping, writing, building community, and budgeting with a short dive into the deep end of Artificial Intelligence and the impact of tools like Chat GPT on writers and editors.

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The RV Entrepreneur #300 Episode Transcript:

(A conversation with host Jim Nelson and Guest Rene Agredano)

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Welcome to the RV Entrepreneur Podcast, the weekly show from Nomads, work campers, RVers, and entrepreneurs looking to earn a living or build a business while enjoying the RV lifestyle. This week’s host is Jim Nelson. Let’s settle in and enjoy the RV Entrepreneur Podcast. Brought to you by RV Life. Jim Nelson: Hello. Don’t change that dial. Yes, you are listening to the RV Life Entrepreneur Podcast. In fact, this is our 300th episode and it’s my first, what an honor to be the newest voice here on the show. I’m Jim Nelson, and I’m joining a great team of hosts after 300 episodes and with a brand new host. We’d love to hear how we’re doing, so please reach out in the RV Entrepreneur Facebook group, [email protected]. If you missed my interview with Joshua, check out episode number 298 for all the gory details about how I’ve been loving the RV life for 16 plus years now. I’ve also been an entrepreneur for at least 27 years, and I could not have done it any of it without the help of my first guest here today. Spoiler alert. She’s my wife. Rene Agrado is the content editor for RFI Life. She’s an author, metalsmith, marathon runner and co-founder of Tripawds, the largest support community for amputee pets and their people. She’s also been blogging about our own nomadic adventures since two thousand7 at liveworkdream.com, and she’s my navigator through life, business, and on the road. Welcome, Rene. Thank you for joining me. Rene Agredano: It’s great to be here. Thank you. No, no, no. Jim Nelson: Thank you. Um, before we get started and all the tips that I’m sure you can provide about living and working with a wonderful husband on the road, I wanted, I wanna start a little something new here on the RV Life Entrepreneur Podcast, and that is to answer two quick questions first. Oh my, just real quick, and then we’ll get into the discussion. So Rene, When did your RV life begin and, and what does that look like now, you know, what are your first RVing memories and what kind of RV travel do you do now? Rene Agredano: My first RV life began before I could drive because my family has been RVing since before I was born, and I pretty much grew up in, uh, truck campers and motor homes and travel trailers. It wasn’t until you and I decided to buy an RV and start traveling, did it really take off, and that was in 2007 after Jerry lost a leg to cancer. And Jim Nelson: again, people can listen to, uh, episode number 2 98 for the full story. But in short, that was what we moved into a 27 foot fifth wheel after a dog lost a leg to cancer. Rene Agredano: And then how did that go along? No, no. We moved into 24 foot fifth wheel when our dog lost a leg to cancer, and we lived in that thing for seven years until I finally said, Hey, I’m tired of making jewelry on the kitchen table. Can we get a larger rv? We found a 27 foot, which to us was a massive palace. And took that on, Jim, you turned it into the best jewelry studio, bunkhouse RV on the planet. And we have, uh, traveled around in that since 2014. Jim Nelson: And then what just Rene Agredano: happened recently? Oh my God. We sold it all gone just recently, like days ago. Jim Nelson: And your new rig is, Rene Agredano: is a. Project M truck topper by four wheel camper. Basically it’s a truck camper that is, uh, a stripped down version of one that you are gonna build out for us in the next few weeks, and we’ll be sharing Jim Nelson: all that in the future. So thanks for that. My second question, real quick, what is an entrepreneur, Rene, or what do you think it takes to be an entrepreneur in Rene Agredano: general? That’s a whole show in itself, James. I’ll try to answer. In a nutshell, an entrepreneur is somebody who does not. Do a, uh, what do you call those? W fours? I don’t even remember what those are called anymore, but it’s basically somebody who punches their own clock. You do answer to clients, you do sort of make your own hours. Um, it’s somebody who’s responsible enough to pay your taxes and not get into trouble for not paying them. It’s somebody who can make a living and create a future with the earnings that you’ve just brought to the table. Sounds Jim Nelson: like you’re. Pay those responsibilities to do that. Oh, absolutely. So you were growing your own business together with your adorable husband for 10 years before hitting the road. Yeah. What kind of business was that and how has it changed? After moving into an Rene Agredano: rv, we started out thinking that we would have a traditional sticks and bricks business. Uh, you came up with a brilliant idea to fill an unmet need in rural Humboldt County, Northern California. You said, Hey, let’s do digital large format printing. And back then it was a brand new technology and we were totally into it. Went gung-ho, got an s b a loan, did everything right to start this business off. And we did. We grew that for 10 years doing marketing communications, print and publishing for our clients. Uh, we did trade shows, all sorts of fun stuff. And then it wasn’t fun anymore and that’s when we decided to sell it. And coincidentally, that’s. Yeah, it all kind of came together, uh, in a weird, bittersweet sort of way because when Jerry was diagnosed with cancer, you and I had already been sort of simmering plans to sell the business. When he got the cancer, everything got sped up to a hundred miles an hour, and we decided let’s move quickly because if he only has a few months to live, Let’s get this baby rolling. And we did, I guess that was Jim Nelson: kind of a trick question because I, I knew the answer and I’ll never forget the day you sat me down and said, I got an idea. Let’s sell the business and plan for a year off. And you actually did your magic and budgeted for an entire year off. But that lasted, you know, Jerry lived on loved life on three legs for two years, and, and that lasted longer than a year. And we started eating in into our budget. So we did start, Developing another business. What kind of form did that take? Rene Agredano: Well see, originally we thought when we hit the road, we thought we’re, we’re gonna travel around and go buy another business. Let’s just buy something. Somebody else has already established enough of this setting up your own business kind of thing. Let’s go get one and just keep it running and make it better. So we drove around the country looking for a business to buy and a place to live. And as we were doing that, Jerry’s story became interesting to other people who were also dealing with bone cancer and their dog. You started a website called Tripawds.com, that’s T R I P A W D s.com. And it was just a little WordPress blog, which I had to convince you to start making because you were convinced that blogging was not the future. But, uh, we, you set up this blog, we started telling everybody about Jerry’s experience as an amputee dog with bone cancer, and pretty soon people were finding us and they were. Contacting us, asking us all kinds of questions about amputation and other types of cancers, and we did not have all the answers, and we knew that. So as more people started reaching out, we said, Hey, we have to connect people with each other. And my brilliant husband came up with an idea to put discussion forums in that WordPress blog. That’s when things really took off with the website. And when I say take off, I mean really three-legged pets are a very small niche in the pet parent world. You know, nobody wants their dog or cat to lose a leg to cancer or any other situation, but when they do, to be able to find a community like Tripawds, a niche community is, it’s very comforting to people. And we realize that right away. So. As we were slowly deciding what not to buy as far as business goes, we were simultaneously building up Tripawds so that it could help other people and also help keep us on the road, um, making money here and there. Jim Nelson: So as a sensitive niche community, we never really wanted to market or do the high pressure with the sales funnels. They. And products on these people. These people are already faced with, you know, high bills and didn’t wanna, you know, we, we didn’t wanna sell to them, so we kind of decided to like, develop multiple revenue streams at first. Rene Agredano: Right. And, well, we, we had to, it wasn’t really a decision. We had to find other ways to make money because like I said, Tripawds is such a niche community that. You know, we were bringing in 50 cents here, a dollar there from affiliate commissions and things like that, but it wasn’t enough to pay the bills. So we started looking at other ways to bring in money and realized this is the way to go if we wanna keep traveling. So I started to slowly build up my writing career, and you started building up your WordPress knowledge so that you could help other people. And, uh, pretty soon we were juggling about 18 balls in the air at any given time. And today that number has pretty much tripled. Jim Nelson: Meanwhile, we, we, I think you actually discovered work camping, and that’s traditional work. Camping arrangements are where you work somewhere and they offer you a place to camp. So over the years, um, how did you discover work camping and what type of work camping jobs have you enjoyed? Rene Agredano: Camping was something that I was already familiar with before we started traveling because like as a kid, you go to the campgrounds and, and the host comes around and takes your payment and makes sure that you got a little ticket stub on your, the post on your campsite. So I was already a little bit familiar with what these people do, but, um, as adults, when we started going out on the road, We met a really nice couple and they were retired, uh, college professors who were up in the most beautiful campsite up near, um, Steamboat Springs, Colorado. And. They told us, yeah, we’re not getting paid, but we get this really awesome campsite and we get to stay here all summer for free. And that caught my attention because as you come to learn, rent and fuel are your two biggest expenses as full-time RVs. So I thought, man, if we could offset the cost of rent, that alone would do us a lot of good. So they told us about Work Camper News and we started looking into it and found that to be a great resource for finding jobs, for connecting with other work campers and just learning about the options that were out there because we quickly discovered that work camping is so much more than um, being campground hosts, where camping can be a lot of things. You could be working the front desk at a resort, you could be. Selling Christmas trees. These are all traditional jobs and now work camping has evolved to work at home and, um, punch a clock kinds of jobs too. You’re technically work camping. So, uh, it has evolved along with us and I working Jim Nelson: wherever you camp and spoil alert again. Um, I’m gonna have a full episode all about work camping coming up soon, but during this whole time, your, the Tripawds community kind of evolved organically and grew and as you said, kind of turk off and we started adding new kind of offerings for the community. What products and services do we offer? Our niche community, we’ve grown and, and what do we have to offer our members? Rene Agredano: The number one. Product we offer is support, emotional support that is priceless to our members. In return, a huge uh, amount of them will try to support us by shopping through our store that we’ve stocked, quote unquote stocked because most of these products are dropped, shipped from vendors, but we’ve stocked our online store with products that we have tried ourselves with our amputee dogs. Since Jerry passed, uh, we’ve had two other dogs that needed assistance in one way or another because they were missing a leg or dealing with a bad leg. So we have provided products like dog harnesses and beds and bowls, and we have also created information products, books. We have published three books on helping amputee cats and dogs, and those types of things are what we find. Bring in more than just a few cents, but, um, not quite enough to really pay our salary. So we’re still juggling other balls in the air, but we do have a lot of products on Tripawds that people will buy and bring in revenue for Jim Nelson: us. So I mentioned on my interview with Joshua that, you know, I, I was gonna ask you, Rene. What’s the business model? But um, we have a business model. We do, and there’s a funny story in our book, be More Dog about when I asked, when we were asked that question at a conference long ago. But long story short, we operate on the freemium business model. Like Rene said, our best product is a warm, fuzzy feeling. So we offer tons of information for free and for a small premium, people can buy the eBooks and get their answers fast or buy the products so that help them, or our supporter platform. Rene Agredano: Yeah, that’s a big one. Can you try to explain that for us? Well, we never wanted the site to be something that people had to pay for to get the information that we’re offering. So you came up with the idea to have people. Uh, if they wanna chip in to the site, they can pay a little bit. And you came up with multiple levels of support that they can contribute on a monthly, quarterly, or annual basis. And some people can do a. $3 a month. Some people can do $300 a year. And having that different level of support options for our members makes me feel good knowing that they don’t have to pay if they don’t want to, but if they do, which a lot of people have expressed their gratitude for the information and community that we provide. So if they are able to chip in a little something great, that’s even better. Jim Nelson: And what they’re paying for technically on Tripawds, the Tripawds Network, it’s built on a WordPress multi-site network. So people can actually start their own blogs and post their own photos and share their own stories. And we’re now hosting more than 2000, oh my gosh. Three. Oh, I think we’re close. To 3000 now close to 3003 legged dog and cap blogs, all from the beginnings of a simple WordPress blog by apparently some guy who didn’t know what he was doing at the time. Rene Agredano: Well, the funny thing is that people still want to create their blogs, not as many as in the past, because social media has really. Well, we all know how it’s grown, but uh, it did impact our community in different ways. And one of those ways is that we cannot offer the instant gratification that the Facebook does. But a lot of people want to share their, their dog’s story or cats in a lot of detail. So they will start a blog with photos and more, more heart and soul than a traditional Facebook or Instagram post can offer. And one of the best things about it is that, Our Tripawds network is so searchable, it’s, we make it relatively easy to find information. So if somebody’s pet has a very unusual cancer diagnosis, chances are another member has met with that same fate, and we make it a lot easier to find that information than social media does. So that’s what’s always kept me. Going and enthusiastic about the community. Jim Nelson: You are enthusiastic. I personally have a love hate relationship with the social networks because I’ve built our own social network. Yeah. And what I’ve told people at a conference I talked about long ago, um, at the blog p and how to grow a community on the niche Community is that. You really get away from the distractions when you get off. Mm-hmm. The Facebook and you really have a tighter knit community and there’s less trolls and less infighting when you get a group of people together passionate about a common subject. So the, the, the niche community there is where the real. Juju happens and the magic happens. So we’ve managed a niche community. Talk to me about the importance of community and peer networking when it comes to building a business, and what are the challenges of fostering such community or peer relationships on the road? Rene Agredano: Well, earlier you had mentioned the blog pause conference that you spoke at when we were starting to ramp up Tripawds, and that was the first time I discovered that joining a community who is. Engaged in similar activities as you are in this case. Building a business really helps you understand that you’re not alone in your struggles. To be self-employed as a business owner, to grow a business, to find your audience, having a community is a, it’s a support network. For the good times, for the bad times, and for finding information. We had a really great mentor \early on in our experience of growing Tripawds, and to this day, she’s still, uh, one of our heroes and we frequently engage with her and her community of like-minded business owners. Nurturing a business like community on the road is a little tough just because you’re, you’re all moving around, you’re all doing different things, and that’s why different organizations like Escapers when they started, I thought, man, that is such a really cool idea to get like-minded people together. We all have to work, well, not everybody, but most of us in the group have to work and so. I love how their gatherings are focused on getting work done in the day, having fun at night and on the weekends, that sort of thing. Finding your tribe, so to speak, is the way to go if you are gonna be self-employed because you just cannot operate in a vacuum Jim Nelson: and you find that tribe online when you’re on the road. Like our work campers group, the RV Entrepreneur Community Rene Agredano: group. Yeah, the RV Entrepreneur Community group. Absolutely. Just being able to connect with others so instantly is, is really helpful for your mind and your business growth. Jim Nelson: Okay, so tell me, Rene, you, you’re a content creator, but unlike most of those brand influencers on YouTube and TikTok out there, you specialize in long form writing and publishing. What tips do you have for any nomads out there wanting to get more writing kicks? Rene Agredano: Well, we were just talking about that today. We might talk about that later. So Jim Nelson: tell me about like, Rene Agredano: I would say that if you want to be a writer, look at what other people are doing out there. Go to Medium. That’s a really great space to see what types of articles engage readers. You know, it’s a skill you can develop. I wasn’t the best writer when we started, and writing for the web is so different than writing for print. If you are my age and you started writing for print, making that transition to the internet was, uh, it took time for me. I finally felt like I hit my stride a few years afterwards, but join writers groups, join. Networks that can support you in learning how to keep your writing skills fresh and also adapt to the new technologies that are out there like ai. Because not too long ago, my biggest concern was knowing how to write for SS e o. Well, guess what? AI can do that for me now. So now my skills need to be honed in how to use AI to my advantage so that I can create good content. So let’s go Jim Nelson: there. What are your thoughts on the AI tools that are out there, and how might they actually benefit or negatively impact job security for writers? Rene Agredano: I, I really feel that AI can be used to our advantage if we know how to use it. The problem is that a lot of people, Most of us don’t really know what we’re doing yet. I work with a lot of people who are kind of feeling their way around, and sometimes it feels like you’re feeling your way around in the dark to understand how to even use chat G P T to help you draft an article. I have used it on several occasions to help me create outlines. I’ve also used it to help me find good information, which. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. And the problem is that you need to be able to distinguish between good information and really bad information. And that’s another skill that you need to develop is how to curate content using AI that is truthful and also lets your work shine through. So I, I love it and I am afraid of it, and I know that if I wanna keep writing, I need to adapt to using it every day. Jim Nelson: You know, one thing I heard was that, you know, AI isn’t gonna replace the writers. AI is going to replace the writers who don’t utilize AI tools. Rene Agredano: Yeah, I would kind of agree with that. I think that writing. For the sake of writing is always gonna be a great skill to have, but if you want to make money at it, using the AI and learning how to incorporate it is mandatory now. And this has only happened in the last, what, six months I think, which is really scary. Rapidly developing, really scary. But yeah, and like you said, Jim Nelson: it’s a whole show in itself. There’s a great resource out there that we. About ai? Yeah, I was good. So if you are gung-ho about AI or think AI bad, both, both of those are addressed in his show and I would recommend that. I’ll look that up and try and get that in the show notes. Show notes, Jim. Show notes. Show notes. Show notes. So tell me, everyone wants to know. This is why you’re here. Oh, how do you live and work together with your spouse in such a small space? 24 7 365. What? What tips do you have for married couples hoping to grow a business together on the road? Rene Agredano: Well, Honestly, it wasn’t that much of a transition for us because we had been working together for so long before we hit the road. So we had already started a business 10 years prior to getting in the RV and trying to work together. But I would say that my biggest piece of advice is to not step on each other’s toes. Let each person do what they do best. Don’t interfere with their work. Be kind and don’t, uh, jump to conclusions about their work. Try to keep your mouth shut when you feel that things aren’t going well, but also communicate. You can’t always keep your mouth shut, but communication, like anything, even if you’re not working together, if you just want your marriage to stay together, you’ve got to learn how to talk it out. It’s the same thing with a business. We have business meetings and when we first started doing those, it was so weird. First we did ’em in the office when we had the sticks and bricks, and then doing ’em in the RV was hilarious because we’re just like at this little dinette trying to. Be official and run a business, but really it’s just all about knowing what the other person is doing, generally speaking, so that we don’t do things like schedule meetings on top of one another. That’s a big thing in the rv. If you have a Zoom meeting at the same time as your partner, one of you is gonna go sit in the car. So I think, uh, Communication. Communication and communication. I would totally agree Jim Nelson: with a lot of things you said there. Especially the delineation. Delin Delineation. Delineation, that’s a good word. Yeah. 10 word. $10 word a day delineation of duties. So do what you do best is something Rene said there. And that’s a golden nugget. You know, Rene does what she does for our business. I do what I do and whenever we try to step over their boundaries and provide input, that’s when the communication becomes key. ’cause I have a real quick story. First year on the road, we were traveling around the country and interviewing people that lived together, you know, and worked. And, and we met a, a 90 year old woman who ran a, a deli with her husband, Mrs. Fazio, I’ll never forget her, in a small little town in upstate New York. And I said, what’s your secret for, you know, working and living together like this? And she said, keep your mouth shut. So I’m surprised you remembered that and said that, but about this whole live work dream thing. Tell me about the challenges of balancing your life and work while trying to live the dream. Rene Agredano: I don’t think it’s that much different than anybody who’s living a traditional life, except we put ourselves in. Places with greater temptations to go have fun and and go experience the entire reason why you’re there in the first place. So being in the most gorgeous places in the country and trying to do work can be really challenging because you wanna go out there and have fun. And I find that it sometimes it’s really hard to camp with other people who are also. You know, doing what we do. Maybe they’re retired, maybe they’re not, but it, I always feel like a tug between my responsibilities as a business owner and entrepreneur versus my need to enjoy life. So I think that I woke up today. Here’s an example. I woke up today. I said, what is the most important thing I need to do today? I told myself that if I can do that one thing, I’ll consider today a success. Now, I’m in a gorgeous place right now I’m in Colorado in one of our favorite places, Fort Collins, and we were gonna go out with friends until this crazy weather started, but I said, if I can do that today, going out with friends will be icing on the cake. That’ll be awesome. I get the, the balance that I want. So I think you have to know your priorities in order to make the most of your dream. And you Jim Nelson: know, one way that I’ve seen you balance that life and work is by doing what you love. If you throw yourself and your whole heart and your passion into you work, it’s not so much work anymore and you are just living the dream. Rene Agredano: Yeah, it’s true. You just have to hope that you’re passionate, not, not hope. You have to know and make it so that your passion actually pays you an income. That’s the hard part. And that Jim Nelson: comes back to finding your purpose. Yeah. Which is, you know, doing what you love and helping others. And if you do it well, you’re gonna make money and succeed. But tell me, tell me, Rene, you run marathons, you meditate, you make jewelry. How does exercise or having a creative outlet help cope with the challenges of RV life while managing a business? It’s how important is it’s Rene Agredano: indispensable. Indispensable. You’re talking to a person who flunked PE in high school. Okay. And I hated breaking a sweat for the first 20 years of my life. And it wasn’t until we started having a business together and really doing the quote unquote adulting thing that I really started seeing how even just a walk around the block with my dog every day would help me blow off steam. Look at nature and remember what really matters in life. So today, with all that we have going on, if I don’t get a run in at least five times a week, I am cranky. I get cranky, uh, on the days. That’s true. On the days that I don’t run I’ll, I’ll do yoga or something. To move my body because you know, we’re all part of nature. Your body’s part of nature. And for me, if I don’t feel like I am moving my body in such a way that connects me with nature, I’m just a real bitch. Jim Nelson: No, no. Yeah. So healthy body, healthy mind. Yeah. Healthy business. Mm-hmm. What about having that creative outlet and turning off the business mind? Rene Agredano: Oh, I love it. I could get lost in jewelry, you know, I can do jewelry for hours and hours and forget what time it is and you’ll ask me, Hey, uh, you want some dinner? And I’ll, I’ll think it was lunchtime, so I just, Feel like having some kind of outlet besides your work is so important. So I try to, to keep that going on. It’ll be interesting now that we’re in the truck camper. I won’t have my jewelry studio with me for a while. I understand that we’re, I’m making a little sacrifice there, so I’ll have to find another hobby. I don’t know, maybe, I don’t know, maybe extra long distance running. Who knows? We’ll find out. Jim Nelson: We shall see when we get there. Back to the business side of things, you know, what tools do you use? Business. I mean, you’re on the whole c o side and I’m on production side, but for business budgeting, planning, you know, even content management, all writing. Or for your RV life, like travel planning, entertainment, staying balanced. Are there any apps or platforms you can recommend for other nomadic entrepreneurs? Oh my Rene Agredano: gosh. I keep our, our business and our personal finances completely separate. And to me, that is the number one thing. You cannot be an entrepreneur and blend those two things together because your finances will just be a mess. So I keep our personal finances in y a, that’s, you need a budget and if you just look up Y N A B. You’ll find a, an earth shattering budgeting system that will show you what it’s like to proactively budget instead of retroactively. And that to me has been really helpful to keep our household finances under control. As far as business goes, I use QuickBooks. Uh, I hate QuickBooks online because we’re a more complicated business than a traditional, let’s say, a consultant type of, uh, setup that QuickBooks Desktop, believe it or not, is really indispensable for us. Jim Nelson: Now rewind 16 years. Knowing what you know now, what would you tell Rene and Jim as they left the default life behind? What advice do you have for a young couple new to the RV life who wanna grow a remote business together? Rene Agredano: Two things. One, always remember this situation is the boss. That phrase, which we first heard in a Grateful Dead documentary, one of their, uh, roadies thought of it and, uh, mentioned it in the show. And the situation is the boss basically means you have to remember that every time something goes to hell in a hand basket, you can only control so much in life that happens. It’s how you respond. To that situation that will make or break your life on the road. And it’s the same thing with a business. There were times in our business in the early days where I would fly off the handle for the stupidest things. Now that’s not so important. So I think really the situation as the boss is. It applies to both life and work. Jim Nelson: That’s golden nugget of wisdom, man. Yeah, and if I can find the link to that pot documentary, we’ll put it in the show notes too, but some was, hell was breaking loose at a show and someone came backstage and said, who’s the boss here? And one of the roadies for the Grateful Dead, the lead road. He said, the situation is the boss man. So you roll with it and you make it work for yourself. So Rene, is there anything else you’d like to share with our listeners about RV life and being an entrepreneur? Rene Agredano: Oh man, that’s a tough question, Jim, but I would really, you know, my gut response to that is stop taking things so seriously. That’s something that I have to remind myself about too. I wanna be successful. I wanna make sure we don’t grow old in poverty, so we’re working hard, but at the same time, every day, I have to remind myself to not take things so seriously. So look at your dog, look at your cat, look at nature. If you don’t have any pets, just remember that no matter how hard you’re working right now, no matter how many possessions you have or what kind of RV you own, you can’t take it with you. So build a life that you enjoy. Build a business that can support you, but remember those things that matter in the long run, and that will get you through every day. Jim Nelson: Sounds like you’re  saying: Don’t forget the whole reason you’re out there living this RV life. Rene Agredano: You could say that. Yes. Jim Nelson: All right. Now don’t be modest. What work are you most proud of and where can listeners see more about what you’re doing? Rene Agredano: Well, I would say Tripawds. ’cause Tripawds is my passion. It’s my labor of love. I love my work for the RV industry. I do a lot of writing for different RVing publications, including RV Life and all of its websites and in the network. And I do a lot of other writing, but really, Tripawds is my heart and soul Tripawds. T R I P A W D S. Oh, who thought of that? That’s brilliant. Well, yeah, look at the trademark. You’ll find out. And that’s available at Tripawds.com. Jim Nelson:Thank you very much for  joining us today. I think our listeners are gonna really enjoy your tips about living with such a wonderful husband and making it so easy on each other. And there you have it, folks. Yes, it is possible to live and work together with your spouse in a small space. Rene and I are living proof. She’s modest. Discover our whole story about why we hit the road and how we grew the Tripawds community in her book. Be More Dog Learning to Live in the Now available wherever books are sold and at bemoredog.net. For many more resources and tips about building multiple revenue streams or growing a remote business from the road, find Rene’s book Income anywhere liveworkdream.com/income. And if you know anyone with a three-legged dog or cat, send them to tripod.com where they can get help from. Jerry. A k a Rene in the live chat and discussion forums at Tripawds.com. So how did I do it for my first episode? And how are you supporting your nomadic lifestyle? Please let us know in the RV Entrepreneur Facebook group, or at therventrepreneur.com. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The RV Entrepreneur is presented by RV Life – Tools that Make Camping Simple https://rvlife.com You May Also Like: The RV Life Podcast https://podcast.rvlife.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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